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Author:  Dave [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Win a S1 voucher
Dear demo racers...

Every month you can win a S1 voucher at our demo server. Be the highest ranked demo licensed racer, or the second best of the month and claim your price!

The ranking table (upper right corner) is updated every race. But how do you earn these points?

You need to finish properly (no disqualification)
You need to race more then three laps in a race
If you finish on a higher position then a racer with more points, your points will increase with 1% of his/hers

Example you are racer2;

1. racer1 101.00
2. racer2 100.50
3. racer3 102.00
4. racer4 100.00
5. racer5 104.00

You will get 1% of racer3 and racer5, so 102 and 104 = 206 x 0,01 = +2,06 points
You score no points from racer4 because he has a lower ranking.
You also win 0.05 point a race. Just because.. ( :lol: )

Every 24 hours that you do not race you loose 0.75 point.

If you win or get second best after the month ends you must claim your voucher yourself on this forum within 14 days. Thank you! (f)

Unclaimed vouchers go back into the system. Already licensed racers can't claim vouchers and suddenly new fast demo accounts are considered as suspicious. We want only real demo users to win, when in doubt, we have the right to give the voucher to a lower ranked racer. We have all rights anyway 8)

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Why no S2 voucher? :cry:

Because we have a shiny nice S1 server! :)

Second, it's a little gift, respect little gifts or you are not worth the big ones. It's an oppurtunity to get more familiar with LFS and we want to make two people happy every month. Not just one.
Author:  Speedy J [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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cargame.nl wrote:
We have all rights anyway 8)


:lol:

Nice idea, very nice :thumb:
Author:  Litro [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:06 pm ]
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When will be first win ? :)
Author:  Obmit [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:00 pm ]
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What a great idea, very generous indeed.

The man not only supplies us with 4 great servers, he's also now going to give away 2 ( yes 2 ) S1 licenses, every month :o .

P.s. Dave, anyway of donating a little cash, to help with running costs/buying beer/whatever, as a way of saying thanks to you mate :respect:
Author:  shh26 [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:05 pm ]
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I would ask the same question as Litro because you guys started this competition in the middle of July.So will this mean that the first two vouchers will be given in the middle of August?
Author:  Dave [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:06 pm ]
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No, 1st of August.

Don't want to make things complicated.

Short week :wink: :thumb:
Author:  shh26 [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:42 pm ]
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that will make it more easier for me :thumb:
Author:  Dave [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:37 pm ]
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Hhmm according to my information you couldn't wait and already are S2? :lol:
Author:  Litro [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:54 pm ]
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Yes :thumb:
Author:  shh26 [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:52 pm ]
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Quote:

Hhmm according to my information you couldn't wait and already are S2? :lol:


Actually i couldn't :D you see it was my birthday so had to get it.
Author:  Dave [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:06 pm ]
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aahhh congratulations .. 27? :lol: :x
Author:  Litro [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:30 am ]
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Image
Author:  Dave [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:40 am ]
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:D

(licence = license)
Author:  Speedy J [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:59 am ]
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LOL, this is called PROMOTING hehe :thumb:
Author:  Litro [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:20 pm ]
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cargame.nl wrote:
(licence = license)

Yes, I read all text, but didn't saw that. :/
Author:  Dave [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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Happens a lot when you make/design something. Somebody else need to check your work, it's a brain thing.
Author:  Litro [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:59 pm ]
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Hm, about !lp - is 100.00 at first racing there ?
Author:  Dave [ Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:46 am ]
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:yes:

The server isn't competitive enough for this system to work very good but I'll hope that improves over time.

Thinking about awarding best lap with extra points.
Author:  friarbish [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:36 pm ]
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excellent idea, gotta say your demo server is one of a handful where u get a good race without many crashers,now back to lfs i go i will win.hahaha
Author:  Dave [ Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:38 pm ]
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Due to an inconstancy in the system, the racedata of yesterday evening and this morning is processed in a asynchronous way so points are awarded but the 'last race' timings are wrong in some cases due to MPR files being processed in the wrong timeline.

But, it's a minor issue and won't happen again. Race on :D (f)
Author:  eliajanineh [ Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:23 am ]
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Why you don't make the S1 voucher/license for the highest 3 in the !lp !?
as a Racing podium :D
so more challenge :yes: in the 1st/2nd/3rd (f)
Thanks :wink:
Author:  Dave [ Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:10 pm ]
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Hhmmno.. But I'm thinking about a change, yes.. after 1st of September :wink:
Author:  eliajanineh [ Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:35 pm ]
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why September, why not now :D
Author:  Dave [ Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:23 pm ]
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There is a Dutch saying... "Who asks, gets skipped" 8)
Author:  eliajanineh [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:10 am ]
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O:)
Author:  Si Mclaren [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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Just a question, it is necessary to register to run for the license?
Author:  Litro [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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No, just get !lp points http://www.cargame.nl/forum/lp.php
Author:  Dave [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:46 am ]
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You need to register to see that page though :wink:

But no, everybody who races at the server gets points automatically, registered or not, doesn't matter.

I'm trying to get it viewable also in-game. But, the master coders of PRISM are not ready yet. It's an InSim in my favorite language :lief:

It goes fast though :o
Author:  Si Mclaren [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:06 am ]
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just other question, if is no one in the server, and i race alone, i will get points? :D
Author:  Dave [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:03 am ]
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You will, it increases slowly... But if you are on top of the list and the grid is full, you have the exact same 'problem'.
Author:  Litro [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:09 pm ]
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Link
Author:  Hank90 [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:27 pm ]
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Nice :thumb:

for cargame.nl: I dont getting any points when racing alone :roll:
Author:  Si Mclaren [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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and other thing... Is better dont end a race than finish in last? because others will win your points (1%) if they have less points than you and finish in better position, but if you dont finish they will get the points from others but not from you...
Thats make sense?
Author:  Dave [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:57 pm ]
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It makes some sense yes... It might be fair that racers who do not finish are counted for the one who does finish.. Don't know yet, need to think about if thats better. But currently you can prevent giving away points if you are high ranked by leaving the race yes.

I heard the suggestion to penalize such behavior by giving the one who leaves minus points but that will promote crashing (on purpose) or hate against dropped connections or other negative things that could happen so I don't want to give minus points (!)

Other than not racing daily ;)
Author:  Dave [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:52 pm ]
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Very nice vid btw.. I like this creative way of promotion :D
Author:  Si Mclaren [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:07 pm ]
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cargame.nl wrote:
Very nice vid btw.. I like this creative way of promotion

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Author:  Dave [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:23 pm ]
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Hank90 wrote:
for cargame.nl: I dont getting any points when racing alone :roll:

Almost forgot to reply on this.. But you are correct, thats true at the moment. :roll:
Author:  Hank90 [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:37 am ]
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Whats wrong with !lp table? :dood:
Author:  Dave [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:26 pm ]
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I messed it up. Will fix it later today :nah:

Points gathering will continue, don't worry.
Author:  Hank90 [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:34 pm ]
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ah ok :aai:
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:14 am ]
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I discovered that LFS does not make unique filenames of his MPR replays when you move old replays from the LFS storage directory, which is rather sad because it means loss of data. Really stupid LFS design, I'm sorry to say. Giving the impression that it is unique while its not.

Due to inconsistency I'll have to restart the whole competition with a clean start.

The data which currently exists in the table is not valid though, I will write here when it's correct again.
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:08 pm ]
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No news yet..

Now that we have this problem I want to introduce a new system because the one I used has some serious flaws (ways to cheat).

But, I am not sure what to use now to give a representative ranking/performance overview. I asked a person, specialized in these algorithm things to take a look at my problem.

Because MPR's are recorded and stored correctly now, points are made... Have some patience before I can show a good overview.

If you guys have a good formula then I am open for suggestions :)

I already looked at Chessmetrics for example but I don't get that. 60%, 85 points? Big :huh: for me. I look for a formula which I can understand and is fair for racing competition :thumb:
Author:  Litro [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:40 pm ]
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Then points earning doesn't works ?
Author:  Si Mclaren [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:50 pm ]
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then, what changes to we (players)?
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:15 pm ]
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Litro wrote:
Then points earning doesn't works ?


cargame.nl wrote:
Because MPR's are recorded and stored correctly now, points are made...


MPR's contain the finish, positions, times, pitstops, penalties.. So that is not the problem right now.

... The change is that I want a better rating system. I can't just give points based on position like Airio. That isn't fair because the one who drives the most wins, there need to be a mathematical structure behind it. And the current one isn't good enough.
Author:  SaM [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:51 pm ]
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hello this is my first post here..
i just want to thank you first for the whole idea..there is a few demo servers for racing..clean races and non of them offers S1 or at least competitive insim :D

anyway,with new lp system its become kind of unfair for some
players for example 'Litro' here is 'well was' on the top of the lp table
and by new lp sys that means he will have to start all over again 'which is easy given the great pb he have :thumb: '

but in the other hand there is players like me that not too good and by not too good i mean racing over 10-15 races per day to remain in good position..or is it just me :roflol:

don't get me wrong here i am with the new system if its reduce the amount of cheating in the server from mods to 'gang racers' , like in the other day i saw a racer who drive through barriers after the first corner and his car remain 'un-touched' and hit a very good split time with 30:2X sec
while i bust my car to have anything under 30:50 :lol:
or the guys who drive through the gap between the barriers and the wall over and over again and don't get spec'ed for that :-?

this is my 2 cents..and i didn't meant any kind of open fire/flaming/e-wars or pointless argument what so ever.
and sorry for my english.

Sam
Author:  Litro [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:28 pm ]
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SaM wrote:
players for example 'Litro'

No, need to block me on that system, coz i was already S2 driver. :P
And yes, about pitstop line cutting - there is many drivers who are cutting pit exit... :x
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:16 pm ]
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I'm not talking about cheating in the game...

Talking about cheating the system. Technically it's not cheating, just a weakness in the algorithm. It was/is possible to boost your points by using another person and let one win, and then yourself.

I'm reading about Microsofts Trueskill for the Xbox right now;
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/pro ... ators.aspx

If you really want a good, reliable ranking system, some complex algorithms must be used. I'm looking to find out how to do that.
Author:  Litro [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:29 pm ]
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Anyway, that pitstop cheating is problem, coz when I drove on right line, cheater passed me without any problems and got a great diff. :x
And why do you need so complex systems, just do normal racing points, and no problems. :lol: We saw that system negative aspects already previous month when 4 drivers pumped points doing great diff, and not so good driver got an licence.. :/
Author:  Dave [ Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:50 pm ]
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Litro wrote:
just do normal racing points, and no problems. :lol:

No... Because the person who drives aaaaaaaaaaaa loottt... While have the most points.. Thats not fair either.
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